Thursday, 9 April 2015

Swiss Arms GSG/P 92 .177 BB Pistol, First Month Review, Field Strip and Lube.

The P92 comes securely packaged in a box with snug fitting polystyrene.

This is another KWC blowback pistol sold through Swiss Arms. Like the 1911 and Sig X five, it is a field strippable replica with the magazine holding BB's, Co2 and valve. What it is though is an unlicensed copy of a copy of the Beretta 92 fs, an Italian 9 mm pistol introduced in 1972 which is now also made in America under license for the police and armed forces and replaced the 1911 in 1985 as the standard issue side arm. You can also find copies of this gun produced in many countries around the world, the most well known being Taurus in Brazil. In fact you will find that this Co2 pistol is actually an unlicenced replica of the Taurus PT 92 B firearm itself, but it still originates from that iconic Italian 9 mm pistol that has proved so popular over the last 40 odd years.

 
This is what comes out the box, as well as a Chinglish instruction manual.

There are a couple of things that differ from the original Bereta firearm; these are the safety, which denotes it as the Taurus and is on the frame below the slide at the rear and not the slide, and the magazine, which is shaped slightly different at the base so a Co2 cartridge will fit below the valve. It's not a problem though as it looks like a high capacity magazine, and is roughly the right shape for a Taurus mag base.

 
This pistol has the usual light engraving of the lengthy warning on the other side of the slide as well as brand name and calibre on this side.

There is a weaver rail at the bottom of the frame which you could attach a bridge mount rail for a red dot sight, a laser designator, or even a torch, which is in keeping with it's tactical look. With the front post and unadjustable rear sight set so at 8 yards the BB's fall to the right and 2 inches down, the notch in the rear sight is quite wide and it would improve accuracy to have one of these things fitted. However there is a white dot at the base of the rear notch that helps to align the front post, it helps but only when there is plenty of light about. Considering it's not a target pistol but a tin can blasting BB gun, it works fine as it is, but it would be a lot easier to aquire targets if the white dot was on the front post instead.

The safety is a three position lever; it gives you 'safe', which can only be applied when the hammer is cocked or half cocked, 'semi auto' and 'full auto', but the gun is hobbled to give you semi auto in the semi and full auto positions. You can find the mods very easily to convert the gun to full auto on You Tube, but in the UK full auto is not allowed and you would get your pee pee severely slapped by the law of the land. 

This in another world is the selector position for full auto, it goes semi auto just as it does when the switch is horizontal.

Besides, it's wildly bloody inaccurate in full auto and a waste of Co2, basically I wouldn't bother as it will totally bugger your gun up. With the safety on, the trigger moves freely because it is disengaged somehow; remove the grips and you see how that works to some degree.

 
This is the selector position for safe, also the slide lock holds the slide back after the last shot.

What I do find totally amazing is the trigger in single action. It's really light and is set back to just before breaking point when the hammer has been cocked, and utterly predictable when compared to all other KWC blowback products I have come across. This, plus the solid, heavy feel to the blowback are most likely the main attractions to this gun. Double action isn't too heavy either which means you don't need to rack the slide to fire it, but you might as well as a BB is only loaded when the slide has been racked, besides, that's half the fun. Another groovy thing is that the trigger works just like the original with the metal bar on the right side of the gun swinging forward, as does the takedown bar and mag release. 

More moving parts than you could shake a stick at

In fact the only molded features are the trigger pin and of course the sights which have already been mentioned.

The magazine which is released by the button catch on the front of the grip by the trigger guard is a self contained ammo and power unit, just like the real steel. 

you can buy spare magazines for the P92, they're just not in stock very often.

It contains space for 21 steel BB's at the front which are loaded from the top, while the spring and follower are held down by your thumb as there is nowhere to lock it when loading. The 12g Co2 capsule fits in the bottom of the mag and is secured in place with a circular screw cup made of plastic; with fresh Co2 in the mag the cup is tightened with an allen key until just past the point the Co2 stops hissing after piercing. Tighten too much and you can damage the seal between the capsule and the valve sat at the top of the mag. A couple of times, I have had to tighten a little further when a slight hiss starts after a couple of shots into a fresh Co2 capsule, but that seems to have settled down now.

 
To strip the gun down for cleaning and lubrication the mag needs to be taken out so the slide can be removed. Press in the button on the right side of the takedown lever which is above the front of the trigger guard, so the switch on the left hand side can be moved 90 degrees to point downwards.


Press the take down lever button with your for finger,




and move the lever down 90 degrees with the thumb of the same hand. Or you could use both hands, it's up to you.

Now the slide is free to be removed by pulling forward off the pistol frame, which is cool as you don't have to pull the slide back to move the take down lever like you do on many other guns.


The slide comes off easy... Did you know that originally the Bereta did not have a take down lever and an assialant that was too close to you could reach out and just remove the slide, disarming your gun.

Then, turning the slide upside down, turn the recoil spring guide around 180 degrees and push all the way forward, compressing the recoil spring completely.


Note the flat on the collar of the recoil spring guide, facing at 90 degrees at the moment.

This now gives space for the barrel and breech unit to be removed by lifting at the breech and sliding out to the rear.


The barrel and breech do not come out until the flat of the guide is facing the barrel and the spring fully compressed.

Now that you have the slide in it's three main components, it is ready for a clean and lube.


 All ready for cleaning and lubrication.

l must admit that when it came to giving the now stripped pistol a wipe down with some kitchen towel, I found it to be pretty clean compared to say the Sig X Five which was fairly grubby. So silicone grease was dabbed on to the exposed outer barrel and rubbed in with kitchen towel to spread it sparingly.


That's too much grease really

This removes the excess.

Then, removing the recoil spring from the guide, more grease was applied to the guide and spread around between finger and thumb before replacing the spring.


More grease here and after a few shots it gets worked into the spring.

Next, using a mix of mostly silicone oil with a dab of silicone grease, I lubricated where the slide, frame and breech all came into contact; this was spread into tight corners with the aid of a little rolled up paper towel.


Add mixture along the runners on both sides here.....


here.....


and here.

Once it was cleaned and lubricated it was a simple matter of reversing the take down instructions to put it back together.

Fit and press in recoil spring and guide making sure the flat on the guide faces the barrel.

It's a snug fit but the barrel and breech slide in.

On releasing the recoil spring make sure the flat on the guide is facing the pistol frame, then he slide simply slides on again.

And push lever back into position to lock the slide in place.

Then using just the silicone oil, I lubricated the spring and BB follower in the magazine, as well as the slide lock tab at the top of the mag for good measure.


Even though silicone oil won't do any damage, it's still best to avoid getting any on the transfer port on top of the magazine.



Any excess oil and grease is wiped away and the pistol is ready for shooting again, once some more Co2 and BB's have been loaded into the magazine.

Wiping oil and grease can give the pistol a more realistic look




All in all, this is a pretty cool replica of the Taurus PT 92, apart from all the white writing all over the slide and frame. There are several methods to remove this, from sanding down and respraying to filling the writing with acrylic paint or permanent marker. Dispite the BB's not landing where the sights say they should, they do however group as small as just over an inch at six yards if care is taken. Two inch groups are the norm when shooting off hand or rapidly, and as there is no catch for the follower in the mag you can load and fire the full compliment of 21 BB's without problems.

It's not too loud either as the report and blow back can be heard in equal measure when you shoot it, in fact the most noticable noise comes from the BB's hitting the target. I have hours of fun quick drawing from my waist band and shooting at multiple 4 inch square metal plates at 6 to 9 yards, rebounding BB's were a problem until I started to angle the metal target plates pointing down.
 
Spare magazines are pretty hard to source unlike the 1911, but I recently managed to find one for my Sig X Five and they're hard to find as well. So i'm not abandoning all hope of finding one just yet, just be in the right place at the right time, or the right air gun shop web site.

TTFN

Best wishes, Wing Commander Sir Nigel Tetlington-Smythe.




3 comments:

  1. I've found out that there are two different Swiss Arms P92's and I'm not talking about the GSG pistol. If you look at the box of a Swiss Arm P92 like yours there's orange coloring on the box (earlier version) but if you look close at other boxes you will see that the same box is identical in every way except that where there's suppose to be orange there's red (the later models)... The pistols in the boxes that have the orange coloring on them work perfectly with separately sold magazines. Unfortunately if you buy a Swiss Arms P92 in the box with red coloring on it, the seperatley sold magazines will not work properly with that pistol. As you know with this pistol the slide is suppose to lock back when the magazine is empty... unfortunately for the (red) pistol's slide, it will not lock back when empty if you are using a seperatley sold magazines... Now with that said, I made sure I bought the earlier versions of the pistols (orange) yet one of my pistol's slide will not lock back, I was wondering if you had any tips or any idea as to why the slide won't lock back on this particular pistol. I'm sure it's not the magazine, cause I've tried 16 different magazines that I bought with the other two S.A P92's that I own and out of the 32 tests the slide locked back every single time w/o a single problem... Sorry if this comment was confusing but I can't figure out for the life of me why this slide won't lock back into position, instead it goes right back into the firing position.

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  2. PLEASE DISREGARD THE COMMENT I LEFT ABOVE... I narrowed down the issue with my S.A. P92 and I found that the Co2 is not being released correctly. The pistol isn't shooting as hard as I it should. I was wondering is there something I could do to correct this???

    What I did was, I switched the slide from my perfectly working S.A. P92 to the S.A. P92 that I'm having trouble with and sure enough the slide did not stay back when the magazine was empty. That pretty much told me that the problem is in the lower half of the pistol. I then took some shots with each pistol back to back and realized that the pistol is shooting low, in accuracy and in pressure. Again, is there anything I can do to fix this issue? Thank you!!!

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  3. The P 92's do tend to shoot low as a rule, this can be fixed by supporting the inner barrel so the POI is higher (Blog entry March 2016, 'sight adjustment on SA P92'. The pressure can be different from mag too mag, also there has been a common problem amongst KWA 1911's (KWA is the company that makes BB blowback pistols for SA, Cybergun, and Umerex amonst others) where something in the mag well catches on the magazine so it doesn't fit 100% all the way. This will stop the rubber seal on top of the magazine and the blowback unit in the slide making a perfect contact, and might explain why the follower in the mag doesn't engage the slide lock on the faulty frame.
    This is just a best guess as i haven't had to address this problem myself, but i have seen Youtube video's sorting this problem out (clustermarc's airsoft and airgun reviews and more is a good channel for this sort of stuff. Anyway i hope this is of some help, i know the sight adjustment works as i did it myself with long lasting positive results.
    Best of luck with your P92 and let us know how you got on.

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